Then I was, like say, with my second brother, Yaacov. He was a ??? macher, you know, over there, over part from the shoes, and the, and the situation was very bad. He was, the dream was to go out from Poland, any place, but it was not possible because we didn't have any money. So it came, my sister had a friend, girlfriend, for years she did go out with this girlfriend, which my brother was thinking, he didn't take a special attention on her. But, then one time this girlfriend went to Paris, France. She did write her parents, "I would, I like very much, you know, Yaacov, Jacob. Could you talk with, with him and with his parents? I have money and have a good job. I would send him money to be ready to smuggle him to, to come to Paris, to join me, and have, uh, to be, to get married."
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