What was the name of second camp?
Ebensee.
???, okay. Was that, the tunnels were to put factories...
Oh yeah inside, in the tunnels, in the mountains there were--inside, if you walked in those tunnels it was just like a city. And it was all built by uh, slave labor. They had trains going in, I mean, streets over there inside just like, everything like underground. Their plan were building factories there, you know.
You went there in January 1945, to...
In Ebensee, yeah.
Yeah. And you walked, you said for...
Oh, not until the cam--not, no, you see, we walked uh, from that first camp we had no transporta... they had no, they had no way of getting us transportation. So we walked, you know, 'til the, 'til they had to find a place to put us on a train. Then they put us on the train. There was already--then when they took us to Ebensee there was open trains. I remember one day I say them uh, must have been the Americans I guess, planes. Came down and we were outside the city, a German city. They were bombing the city. So actually, called the bombs came down. And we were outside.
What were the living conditions like in Ebensee?
Uh, if I would see my own thing what I've been through on, on television. I myself would say it's impossible or it's not true. A lot of people even today say that it's not true. People who didn't go through it. I don't blame them for not believing it because I myself say it's not true. I believe it could not happen, but it did happen, it did happen. Like they show the movie it, Holocaust, I was watching the movie too. Actually, they didn't show nothing on the Holocaust. They only showed a story from one uh, family, from two families. But actually, the pain and suffering the people had to go through you, you cannot believe it. Nothing, I mean uh, it's easier to say a figure six million, six millions a lot of people uh, to be, uh...
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