Voice/Vision Holocaust Survivor Oral History Archive

Emerich Grinbaum - October 3, 2000 & January 8, 2001

Belze Rebbe



He was a member of the Judenrat?

No. He was in Budapest. He, he, he escaped from Munkacs when the ghetto started.

But he helped, but he helped the Belze Rebbe to escape.

No, it has nothing to do. That--he was in the same group as the Belz Rebbe because the...

Is this Fixler?

So they--the Hungarian uh, uh, some police, I don't know. But the, the government knew about it. They wanted to have good points later on--the Kállay government, no. They knew it, they knew that. So they managed to, to, to smuggle out through the borders and the Belz Rebbe he was like a Ger...Hungarian office, like went through the border. Very interesting story, I read about it. So--and they, they arrived to, to Budapest. The Hungarian government knew about that. They--and he, they put him in the Kasztner group which is about 2,000 Jews were uh, uh, escaped to, to, to through Germany uh, to Switzerland. And they...


...and this group was the Fixler. He can give you more detail information.

What did you think about that?

About what?

About the Kasztner...

I can give you a book about this.

But what did you...

In Russian uh, in, in English.

Did you hear about it...


...did you know about it then?

Not at that time. I read later.

You didn't know anything about Kasztner.


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