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Joseph Gringlas - January 22, 1993

One other thing that I noticed in your, in your son's essaythat you, you didn't tell me too much about, was the arrival at Gleiwitz andthe story about you...

Latrine.

you and your brother went to the latrines.

Yeah, I, I think I told you about it.

But tell me more about it. What was it like there?

At eh, in Gleiwitz eh, the, after that night from, that's fromBlizyn I think. It was coming from

From Blizyn to Birkenau...

Birkenau.

Birkenau to Buna.

Yeah, yeah, when, when the Birkenau was liquidated and they,they, they want to accumulate all the people from all camps around. Not justwas-Birkenau was someplace else. And that, there was barracks in that Gleiwitz.And, and we opened up the barrack to get in and we saw you'll get in, you'llnever get out, because one was stamping on top of the other one. So I wentand I stayed in latrine.

What...

Lat...uh, in the bathroom.

What was it like in there?

Oh, it was terrible. It was all that urine in it and everything,it was terrible. And you stand in, just like close to the front to get somefresh air. It was, I, I think I must have stayed there all night long likethis, because you couldn't get in the barracks-there was-people were stampingone on top of the other.

So you were standing in the urine and excrement and all ofthat.

That's right. And the, and the next morning, I was, I don't knowhow long we been in Gleiwitz, a couple days maybe or something and uh, nextmorning they were out very early in the morning, about six o'clock, they camein with, with the guns, SS. There were soldiers too. Any time they neededto, so many people to take care, they had soldiers with them.

Wehrmacht?

The SS.

Wehrmacht soldiers.

Wehrmacht.

Yeah.

Yeah. And they were running with the guns and I told you my brothergot hit from the back with the gun, he was bleeding. And we-they were loadingus on those half train, which took, we went to Nordhausen, two, two weeksthat I told you about it.

What did it feel like? You came out of the latrine, you werestanding in this...

Yeah.

human refuse.

Mm-hm.

And you didn't take a shower, you didn't bathe.

No.

What must, what was it like?

It-at that time that they didn't, before, when they were still,when I was in camp, they give you a soap to clean, there was something youcould do, clean yourself. But that time in Gleiwitz was, it was a chaos. Soit was-no, no cleanliness at all.

Uh, not-so you left the latrine in Gleiwitz and then rightto the train.

Yeah, the train. Order us to the train. The train was half-trains,I told you and I told you quite about it.

The story about throwing the food down.

Yeah, Mm-hm.

I-last time we finished um, you had already gone back to Ostrowiec?

Mm-hm.

Then to Warsaw?

Yeah, after the war.