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Joseph Gringlas - January 14, 1993

He was married in the kibbutz?

Yeah, he married in Landsberg in the kibbutz. They made a weddingfor him.

Somebody he met there?

Yeah, they met in kibbutz, in Warsaw and they went to Landsberg.After that they went back to Germany, so they got-they were married in thekibbutz. And then when uh, where as I told you that we were ready to be-goto Italy and to go to the, the Aliya Bet. So they put me on the first on thelist and the uh, the and then I said, "No, I'm not going to go alone, I wantmy brother and sister will be with me. So the other group from the kibbutzscream, "Ok, Joe fine!" I like-I can go, but I did some work, yeah, I'm aHalutz. But not my brother because he wasn't, he wasn't doing sort eh, youknow, he was in kibbutz, but he wasn't Halutz and he shouldn't go. They wantto go, they put on the list instead of. So I said, "If my brother's not going,I'm not going either." That's the way I stayed on. And I was eh, I was sicka very-a few weeks in Germany, very sick. And the kibbutz got away from Ger...Landsbergand they went, no? And my brother got out of kibbutz and then he emigratedto the United State.

And now.

So I was-still wanted to go to Israel.

But you were still in Germany.

In Germany.

You were-how were you sick?

I was very sick. I was sick from the bor...bor...where the borderis the sickness came back to me.

It wasn't typhus again?

It was worse than that.

Oh, ok.

I got-felt better after awhile. I eh, went eh, in that, to-what,I was still young, I was eighteen years old there. And what are you goingto do with? There was something they show-they were, you can eh, for uh, rehabilitationeh, you can learn a profession. So there's letter or radio. I went to radioelectronics. And my brother was a tailor working at eh, Landsberg uh, justfor himself and then he went-they tell him, told them that he needed, there'sa-the Americans were taking people into United States. So he emigrated toUnited State 1950. And I was still staying in Germany, going to that schoolat, that school, that radio school. And eh, I wanted still go to Israel, butthen I said if I go to Israel and he was going to America, who knows if we'regoing to see each other. So after awhile I felt better and, and we went toschool and learned the radio. I came-I was-I went to United States.

Did you and your brother discuss going to Israel or to theUnited States?

From United States?

Did you talk to him before he, he made the decision to come?

No, he made the decision to come he knew that going to Israelat that time, it was, it was, country just starting and fighting with every.If I were to be maybe sent with group I would have been maybe on the frontfighting there. So that's actually. But uh, maybe I was lucky not to go. Whoknows. So my brother. He told my sister...in...law, my brother, he said seeit's not eh, we're not-we would have gone with you if the other group wouldn'tsay anything, you would have been, who knows. He said, who knows if you wouldhave been living or what. Because mostly the groups went right away to...

To fight.

to fighting.

Can we stop here for a second...