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Joseph Gringlas - January 14, 1993

in Buna. That was my work. That's lighter work.

Buna was the factory and you lived in Monowitz?

Buna was the factory a little-but outside of B...Monowitz. ButBuna-Monowitz was the factory. In the, in the la...in lager, where we stayed,in evening we had to march going back to the lager in the morning and goingto the factory. And, uh.

So the lager was, was Monowitz...

Uh?

and Buna was the name?

I think that Buna-Mono...Buna was called Buna-Monowitz...

Buna-Monowitz.

all together. But the lager was a little bit away, about a fewkilometer we marched out.

Did you ever see anyone at Buna um, what were the latrineslike at Buna? There are a lot of stories about horror, horrors that took placein the latrine. Anyone ever assaulted in the middle of the night?

In Buna?

Yeah.

In Buna was terrible. First we didn't, we did...fed us with littlebit a soup, piece of ration-bread.

But if you went to the morning to the latrine, did you everfind anyone dead or beaten in the latrines at night?

In Buna?

Yeah.

I mean there was a lot of, we saw, people was killed like youknow, they fell down you couldn't walk there, it was terrible-we just-we knewwhat's going on. But you tried to, the-you only sit and try to stay on, stayon.

Yeah. Forgive me for asking you this...

Yeah.

but was there any sexual...

contact?

overtures between this Kapo, say and you or between?

Oh, be...between the Kapo?

Any overtures?

The Kapo was, he went out to the, from the out, from the camptoo to the factory see, that. So they had contact with other people-civilians.

Uh-huh.

They had contact with. So they had, could have sex.

So there, I mean were no sexual attacks that you know of inthe camps.

There was, yeah, there was uh, in Birkenau. Between women and,and the Kapos. They had taken out the women, 'cause there was, yeah.

But only the Kapos.

K...Kapos, because you didn't think about sex because you-what...whateverfeature you, you could...couldn't stay on your feet.