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Joseph Gringlas - January 14, 1993

People were shot?

Yeah, people were shot. Somebody trying to escape. I rememberin Blizyn somebody trying to escape and they brought, they caught him andbrought him and they-and I saw two Ukrainian guards hitting him, hitting asso that he was fainting out, he was almost finished. Then they took wateron him to revive him and hit him again. That was in Blizyn. It was quite aview. Another incident I remembered was two-my hometown, brothers in Blo...inBlizyn and they, I, I think their name is Pfeffer, very rich people and hesaw, he was standing next to me and he saw his brother taken out and killedby the Ukrainian. So Blizyn was terrible. It was, it was a terrible-it was,to me, it was just being young it was just unbelievable to survive it.

You were fifteen years old?

Yeah.

L...l...let me ask you a question about, you said that thefood was, there was no food.

There was only piece-there was a bread divided about, I imagi...abouteight or ten people, one bread.

Who divided the bread?

It's from, from us, they gave out, everybody had a, a group anddivided.

Did they, did they...

Yeah.

appoint somebody to divide the bread?

Yeah, uh-huh.

Who, then everybody watched, is that what happened?

Oh yeah, everybody was afraid of getting sma...smaller than otherone. It was terrible.