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Emerich Grinbaum - January 8, 2001

You got to Prague, to Budapest.

Uh, uh, Pilsen, Prague, Bratislava, Budapest and home. Interesting.On-we were traveling through a other Hungarian city between Budapest and Munkacs.It's called Debrecen. This is the second largest-at that time, it was thirdlargest city. There was approximately 200,000 people. There used to be a largeJewish community in, in Debrecen. And relatively religious, relatively. That,that area was the east, that East Europe, East Hungary. And we were lookingthrough the train, train and I'm seeing Jewish children with payes. A lotyou know, we stared, they walking, we went out for awhile. So later on I realizedif you read, you know probably the whole story. Two ghettos, Debrecen andSzeged, they did not take them to Auschwitz. They took them to Austria. Andthey-the whole family lived together. I don't know what happened, there aremany speculations. Uh, Brahm book.

Yeah.

If you read there is more detail. And they survived. Practicallyeverybody survived. There was 20-30,000 Jews from these two, two ghettos andthey came back, children. I don't know. Either, either Eichmann was on vacationor something. [laughs] That, that particular time, I don't know. The familysaid the-most, most of them survived.

Most of them survived. And so you saw these-what, what didyou think when you saw these religious Jews?

I don't know, I don't know, I don't know how they, they werereligious people with children with payes you know, and, and-with the, withthe hat you know, we saw that they are Jews you know, even with-without payeswe saw that.