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Emerich Grinbaum - January 8, 2001

I don't want to belabor this, but on one hand there's thissurvival of the fittest mentality on the other hand your...

No! This...

father did not pursue...

Not entirely, of course, of course. But you know, there the survivalof the fittest. That, that was the survivor. You know, unfortunately, manytimes even some Jews were uh, there were Jewish Kapos. Not in our place, butthere were some Jewish, Jewish Kapos in other camps. And they-not everybodywas behaving good, you know. That's also part of survival. Uh, in Warsaw,we had, we had a guy who, a Jewish guy from our area. His name, I, I remember,Zoltan, Zoli Friedman, a young guy, very nice looking, smart guy. And forreason he, he always managed to be on some kind of position. In Warsaw andhere. I don't know how did it, he did it. And he was the one who, who decidedto put uh, help the uh, consulting whom to send to this Kommando and the otherKommando, which was you know, because he knew ev...these people. And he wasrather rude. He had to be rude otherwise they would have kick him out. Andpeople were very angry at him. But there was some other side. If you are interested.There was a very nice guy, a doctor from Nagy Varod, Nagy Varod is Transylvania.That belonged to Hungary also. You know the part of Transylvania, Cluj andNagy Varod they took together in the camp. He was a doctor. His name was Dr.Deutsch and he was, he was very good in German. A lot of people spoke Germanand he was the...

Deutsch? [laughs]

Deutsch-and he was the interpreter then because mostly therewere Hungarians there, as I said. And he spoke Hungarian. So when the Germanwanted to convey some message you know, during the Zählappell, he wasthe guy who came and he interpreted. And he had a good job, he didn't go outto work and he did some writings and all the interpreting different things.And he was a, he was a very nice guy. When we met him he always tried to jokeand to cheer up and, and I remember uh, just a case, a mentality in the camp-whenthe previous Lagerführer was the Meyer, who was very rude and, and sometimesif you didn't stay in a line, he kicked her you know, and you know, you haveto stay in you know, and not very when something was not in order or something.And this Deutsch went always with him because he had to tell most of the Hungarians,they didn't understand uh, Yiddish ???. Those of us from Transcarpathia weunderstood Yiddi...uh, uh, German because we spoke Yiddish. But real HungarianJews they didn't speak Yiddish. So they didn't speak German either, exceptsome of the more educated. So he had to interpret. I remember cases that Dr.Deu...somebody didn't stay in a line or something was not in order. So therewas expected to have beaten up. So Deutsch was so smart, he, he sensed that.He went up to him and he give him a pat you know, he give him a...