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Emerich Grinbaum - January 8, 2001

Took you on a train? On a train?

No. Allach is close.

Oh it's a march.

March. It was, was ten kilometers probably.

Oh, okay.

I don't know. Approximately, couple of a two, three hours. SoAllach was a smaller camp. And that Allach was a torture. First of all, wearrived there, we were new. Not too many. I think thirty, forty, fifty people.There was a small group at A...Allach. And Allach were mostly Hungarian Jewsmostly. Hungarian Jews they came straight from Auschwitz. They didn't comethrough Warsaw. And although the food was better than in Warsaw, the foodat that time beginning was better. But the, the environment was terrible.Beating uh, beating-cruelty, all that. Plus the worst part was they put usin the worst uh, job, worst work. There was a, a factory uh, factory, it belongedto BMW, BMW. They, they manufactured I guess airplanes or some, I don't knowat that time. And the-very hard work. They took us immediately. Matter offact uh, we were, we were several days with my brother very hard work to,to carry heavy, heavy cement and to carry heavy metals uh, pieces and, and,and the, and after several days they chose uh, my brother-I don't know whyhe was ??? to work at night shift which was even worse. So there were twoshifts from approximately twelve hours each.

So you were separated.

Separate. No, no! We were, were but we, we lived in the same,same barrack so we saw each other uh, everyday for a short time and Sundayswe were together. But the c...the, the torture you know in the camp was youknow, there was Kapos were very cruel, very cruel. They beating, theygive us for instance-I'm just telling you for instance um, in barrack somebody-no,we couldn't uh, some...sometimes we c...could get out to the bathroom butoften they suggested not to walk on the, on the territory. They put some,some special uh, uh, how do you call it?

Barrel...

Big barrel or something to urinate outside the, the barracks???. But some people you know, got diarrhea uh, and that happened often. Andthey couldn't make it. So they soiled the, the, the, the bed or soiled the,the barrack and there was collective punishment. Then whole barrack was punished.The punishment might be that way, let's see uh, after work, we came back afterthe Zählappell and they gave us some food and then for two hours we hadto do uh, meaningless thing. For instance, one half of the people have tocarry uh, sand from one part of b...of the l...camp. I, I remember we hadto take off my jacket and put on uh, they put uh, uh, ??? to, to carry inour jacket some sand one place to another. And the other part had to bringit back. Just to torture. That was, different tortures. Or hüpfen, forinstance. Hüpfen, that means that to... How do you call, I'll show you.How do you call this position?