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Emerich Grinbaum - October 3, 2000

The Russians are there.

Not only. The uprising started. Russians were very close. Butyou know the Russians didn't want to get in because that was, the uprisingnot the communist uprising. They uh, Wojsko, Wojsko Krajowa. There was WojskoKrajowa, Wojsko Ludowa. You know, they're two parties. Uh, I didn't, we didn'tknow at that time. I read later. So uh, and we saw...

This is the Armia Kr...

Pardon me?

This is the Armia Krajowa.

Krajowa, the army and the Ludowa, that's the, the, but the, thepeople who uh, the uprising was not a communist one, you know.

Right.

And the Russians wanted uh, wait until Germans and they killeach other. The Polish cannot forgive them among other things. And, and uh,and we did-didn't go out at that time to work, I remember, we stayed there.And the next day they gathered us on the Appellplatz. You are expert, youknow. Appell, Appell is always a terrible thing. You-I, I don't have to tellyou because you heard many times already about the Appells. Appell, whichthe morning and the evening for hours. And Appell, big Appellplatz. And wesaw that something is going to happen. And they told us that we have to go,we have to leave this area. Because the uprising was and the Russian was close.They wanted to clean up the whole thing. And, who cannot walk. They were-you'retaken train, by train or by car. And we knew that that's what does it mean.But some stupid people were sick and elderly, elderly. You were fifty thatwas, you were very old there, you know.

They were shot.